But there is still no formal government support. When Pusaka, a nongovernment organization devoted to saving traditional Malaysian arts, drew big crowds for another shadow play troupe, organizers reported that local Kuala Lumpur officials reacted with amazement that anyone would be interested. And even though he said future collaborations with Chuo made him "feel encouraged to keep trying," Dain believed that Malay shadow puppetry could still "die out within 10 years.